Revision of Pay for IITs following 6th Central Pay Commission (CPC)

This page archives resources and discussions related to the Sixth Central Pay Commission recommendations for Centrally Funded Technical Institutions (CFTIs). Recent updates are presented first, and an older version of this page can be found below them. This site is maintained by individuals on a voluntary basis, and while all efforts are made to present accurate information, it cannot be taken to be the official policy, and people seeking precise, personal, and specific clarifications should write to appropriate Institute authorities.

Update 28 Oct 2009: A website in IITM domain has provided a fitment/arrear calculation for assistant professors.

Update 02 Oct 2009: AIIITFF has brought out a White Paper on the 6 PC for IIT Faculty.

Update 24 Sep 2009: Press Release issued in response to the comments and observations made by the Honorable Minister of HRD to the Press.

Update 22 Sep 2009: Press Release issued after the All IIT Faculty Federation meeting on 21 Sep 2009, IIT Kharagpur Extension Center, Kolkata.

    We find the revised order from MHRD dated 16th September completely unacceptable for the following reasons:

  1. Pay commission recommendations have to be about pay matters only. They cannot infringe on the autonomy of our institutes. We have a flexible cadre system that cannot accept regulations on the number of people hired at any level. Specifications such as 10 % of the total faculty have to be
    hired at the level of “Assistant Professors on Contract”, only 40 % of Professors with 6 years of experience at that level can advance to the next AGP, etc. go against this spirit and cannot be accepted.
  2. The IITs already have an open selection policy for all advancements in career, wherein the candidates are judged on stringent academic criteria that includes teaching effectiveness, sponsored/consultancy projects undertaken, Masters and PhD thesis guidance, research publications and corporate responsibilities. Those who meet the criteria advance to the next level – there is simply no space for defining a-priori limits to how many people can be advanced or not.
  3. We do not accept MHRD’s interference in any selection policies. Specifying things such as one should be ASP for at least 4 yrs within IITs etc. to be considered for the post of Professor is absolutely unacceptable.
  4. Forcing the institutes to hire fresh PhDs only on a contract basis at a salary of about Rs. 30,000/- per month is unacceptable. This is an extremely unattractive offer and will severely dent the prospects of hiring bright young faculty in the IIT system. This is especially critical in the current scenario wherein eight new IITs have been started. The flexibility to hire even a fresh PhD, who is judged to be of exceptional calibre by the selection committee, as Assistant Professor cannot be taken away. It has always been the Institutes’ prerogative to offer contract-basis positions as and when needed. These are not positions in the regular cadre and pay commission recommendations have nothing to do with how and when they are implemented by Institutes.
  5. The excellent work done by the IITs (teaching + research + consultancy + outreach) has to be recognized by implementing a suitably designed PRIS(O) – that provides both a uniform incentive across the organization as well as an additional individual incentive based on performance evaluation within the system. Other institutes in India can also be given opportunities to set performance targets and receive these incentives.

We would like to strongly emphasize that all the issues we are raising and contending are not just about making more money. This is about ensuring that we sustain the ethos and culture of academic excellence and make strong leaps forward and make our presence felt strongly in the global academic scenario. We want freedom and empowerment to compete with the best in the world and not have our hands tied down repeatedly.

Update 17 Sep 2009: MHRD note to directors dated 16 September 2009 (making certain corrections to notification dated 18 Aug 2009), is attached below.

Salient Features of which are:

  1. Entry Level to be called as Assistant Prof (Contract) without any change in the terms of appointment.
  2. Assistant Profs with 3 years experience in the shall [sic] move to PB4. (Likely to be 3 years "in the 8000 AGP shall move").
  3. A minimum of 4 years as Associate Prof in one of CFTIs made a requirement to be considered for post of Professor. (This is upward from the present 3 years).
  4. No cut down on the minimum cap of 10% for entry level. (See more below).
  5. No change in the upper cap of 40% for Professors with AGP Rs 12000.
  6. No indication of possible PRIS schemes. (Read more below).
  7. No increase in professional development allowance.

An updated version of the earlier contents of this page follows:

This page contains important features, implications, and related resources of the proposed revised pay for centrally funded technical institutions (IISc, IITs, IIMs, NITIE, and IISERs), following the 6-th Central Pay Commission (CPC). You are welcome to comment on the contents of this page or send in information using the "Add new comment" link below or send a mail to 6cpc at che.iitb.ac.in. Information on this page will be continually updated using the comments received. This is a open discussion forum, and readers may post comments below, as in a blog.

This page can be accessed at http://www.che.iitb.ac.in/online/1bcjusn8.

  1. MHRD Notification (18 Aug 2009, attached below) point 1.i:Creation of new cadre "Lecturer-cum-postdoc".
    • What has changed? Lecturer posts have been renamed in UGC as assistant professors (see UGC notification below). In the IIT system, the lecturer post continues to be temporary (on contract).
    • What does it imply? Lecturer-cum-postdocs will be on a contract position. This implies, depending on the local institutional rules, they may not enjoy full medical benefits, accommodation preference, etc. The total initial basic pay will be approx Rs 26140 (20140 (seven non-compounded increments) + 6000).
  2. point 2.ii.2 says: "For Appointment of Assistant Professors, one should have ... at least three years' industrial/teaching/research experience, excluding, however, the experience gained while pursuing PhD."
    • What has changed? 5-th CPC (previous pay commission) did not have a restriction that the years as experience must be post-PhD. Mehta Committee suggested 2 years as minimum post-PhD experience.
    • What does it imply? Even though individual institutes normally recruited assistant professors with some desirable minimum experience, there was a flexibility to recruit exceptional candidates without this requirement or to count part of the PhD as an experience. A post-doc who has three years experience in western countries, normally gets paid significantly in foreign currency.
  3. Limits and Caps on number of post: There is a requirement that a minimum of 10% of the total posts must be in the entry level "Lecturer" or Assistant Prof (Contract), as per the revised notification (point 1.i.3). Max 40% of Professors to be in grade pay Rs 12,000.
    • What has changed? IITs were instituted to be run under a Flexible Cadre System (FCS) which means that there are no caps on the number of posts for any cadre, unlike in the university system.
    • What does it imply? FCS, in principle means that  100% of all faculty in an institute can be in any Professor cadre (Though this never happens due to the high standards that have been set).  The notifcation is in spirit goes against this fundmental tenet which provides an Autonomy, Flexibility, and Freedom to the Governing Board of each institute to recruit faculty that it deems best.
  4. No Special Pay.
    • What has changed? All employees of DRDO/ISRO/DAE (strategic trio) have been given special additional
      pay of 20% of basic pay as a special grant for special achievements. It is called as Performance Related Incentive Scheme - Organisational component (PRIS-O). Premier educational institutions have not been granted any such special treatment for the highly valued brands they have created, including mentoring new IITs in a short notice. Mehta Committee recognised the specialty of the premier institutions in their report. The IIT Fedration suggested a special "Scholastic pay" Rs 15,000 for all faculty across designations (arrived at accounting for the financial losses by opting for a PhD scholarship instead of a higher paid job a person of that calibre may have got). A detailed justification and explanation of scholastic pay is given in the attached document.
    • What does it imply? Attracting young faculty to a career in IIT could be even more difficult.
  5. Professional Development Allowance of Rs 3 Lakhs has been granted for a block period of 3 years. This includes membership, conferences, and contigency. (See point 8.iii).
    • What has changed? IITs faculty presently get Rs 1 lakh (for a block of 3 years) for attending international conferences. Other expenses for national conferences, Books, Phone, is not provided as a pay packet, but may come under the non-plan funds, arranged by the local institution. Mehta Committee recommended Rs 4 Lakhs for 3 years.
    • What does it imply? Currently the costs to attend one conference in the US is anywhere between Rs 1.2 to 1.5 lakhs. This is expected to grow to at least 2.5 lakhs over the next 10 year period. The notified amount will hardly be sufficient to cover conference expenditure after a few years, reducing the number of participation.
  6. Time to reach AGP of 10,000 in IIT and UGC
    • What has changed? Associate Profs in IITs used to be in the same scale as Professors in UGC (16400 starting). Whereas UGC now has the Profs with 10,000 AGP, IIT Associate Profs get only 9500 AGP.
    • What does it imply? The time taken for a B.Tech/MSc graduate to reach AGP of 10,000 in UGC is about 17 years (6 yrs @ AGP 6000 + 5 yrs @ 7000 + 3 yrs @
      8000 + 3 years @ 9000, see UGC Notification; and assuming a PhD degree is obtained in the due course of employment through QIP, which is normally the case). However, in the case of IITs, it could take 18 years (6 yrs PhD + 3 yrs post
      doc + 4 yrs avg for selection to Associate Prof. and avg 6 years for selection committee to recruit as a Professor) to reach AGP of 10,500. An AGP of 10,000 also means special benefits given by the Government for hotel bills, AC taxi, air travel etc.
  7. Relative pay scales of Associate Professor and Registrar are different now.
    • What has changed? Associate Professors are in similar pay scale as the Registrar in the old scale (See UGC Fitment Table 7).
    • What does it imply? Associate Profs now will get a lower pay in comparison to Registrars (See IIT fitment table) after certain years.
  8. Fixation of pay scales. The MHRD notification, provides rules under the service conditions (point 8 in the notification), based on which the following can be inferred. Refer to attachment on IIT Fitment tables (tables that
    provide the mapping between the old and new pays).

    • What has changed? Compared to the original CPC for other Govt employees, the band pay is at a higher amount for several initial stages (compare purple background values in table). However,
      several stages have been clubbed. In the case of Assistant professors it is 10 stages together and for Associate Professors and Professors it is 5 stages.
    • What does it imply? Several of the current employees who received a range of different pays in the old scale (on 1/1/2006), will all receive the same pay in the proposed pay, with no additional increments for the years of service. An example of how a shifted (differentiated) scale would look like, had there not been this clubbing, has been provided for the Professors table (see last page of fitment table for IITs).

Credits for this compilation goes to several unnamed authors who have analysed the notifications and passed them around. You are welcome to suggest more points or comment using the "Add new comment" link below the attachments.

A pay calculator (including the cumulative accrual of arrears) is available from IITM. Please note the calculator is different for persons who joined after 01-01-2006. Several calculators are shown in http://gate.iitm.ac.in/6pc/. This calculator does not yet support the above MHRD notification, but one can get an idea of a lower and upper bound take home, and arrears.

AttachmentSize
2008-08-29 6 CPC Notification3.49 MB
2008-08-30 6 CPC Fitment Tables1.35 MB
2008-12-31 UGC Administrators1.51 MB
2008-12-31 UGC Teachers5.63 MB
2009-06-04 UGC Fitment Tables2.56 MB
2009-08-18 MHRD Notification (IITs)767.58 KB
2009-08-22 IITs Fitment Tables35.84 KB
2009-09-01 Scholastic Pay Justification.pdf108.1 KB
2009-09-16 MHRD revised notification388.65 KB
2009-09-23 AIIITFF response94 KB
2009-09-28 AIIITFF White Paper234.14 KB

Golden opportunities to leave IITs

NIT Bhopal Advt. (dated 11.11.2009) states at the following:

2. Associate Professor
2.1.Ph.D. Degree with First Class at Bachelor’s or Master’s level in the appropriate branch of Engg., / Tech., and experience of 5 years in teaching, research and / or industry at the level of Lecturer/Assistant Professor or equivalent grade, excluding period spent on obtaining the research degree.

It is a great opportunity for Postdocs with 5 years of experience to join NITs. They are eligible for AGP of 9,000 right now. However, in IITs they will be eligible for this AGP after 3 years.

3. Professor:
3.1.Ph.D. Degree with First Class at Bachelor’s or Master’s level in the appropriate branch of Engg., / Tech., and experience of 10 years in teaching, research and / or industry, out of which at least 5 years at the level of Reader/ Associate Professor or equivalent grade.

It is a great opportunity for IIT assistant professors in service for more than 5 years to switch over to NITs. They are eligible for AGP of 10,000 right now. However, in IITs they will be eligible for this AGP after atleast 5 years after clearing 2 interviews (for Asso. in 2010 and for P in 2014).

is it allowed to have simply

is it allowed to have simply bachlors degree for the post of Asstt.Prof. to teach P.hD students ? That too in a centrally funded institutes ? for 20 years it is going on. pl let me know whether it is allowed as by bye laws ? pl also let me know who should be chairman of the interview committee for faculty position.

Assistant professors at IIX are the biggest sufferer

Look at those asstt. profs. at present who completed 3 years in prerevised scale of 12000-420-18300 on 1.1.2006:

In NITs they would be placed in AGP10,000 in 3 years, automatically.

In IIX they would require atleast 8 years and will have to face 2 interviews.

Many guys getting a prerevised basic of prerevised 11300 in NITs with 10 years of service joined IITs with a prerevised basic 12000. They are completely ruined. Would any IIT director hear their plea?

Fitment table

Can you please made availbe IIT FITMENT TABLES on net. As for assitant professor there are lot of confusions.

Confused Outsiders

The overall out come of all the protests/hunger strike etc by IIT faculty seem to have come to no "logical" conclusion.

The meeting on 19th covered by News Papers which covered earlier news items on this is SILENT on the Pay Scale Issue and reported only matters which were also contradicted later 0n the 80% etc. The public are wondering what is really happening between MHRD and IIT Faculty / Federation.

This Site owes a responsibility and the Federation owes a final statement on the final out come since Public attention and time was consumed ( including in NDTV etc) on this issue by the Federation. That would certainly give an impression that the Federation has behaved more matured in dealing with the issue. Sfter all they must realise that they are all well educated mass directed towards a goal on any issue and not raise it just for a noise. In its absence it will be construded byas yet another noise and Uninon - like drama ending no where. Will they or will they be scared?

I understand that all IITs have signed for accepting 6th Pay scales - that is understandable ; but it is the fitment that should make a difference for all the efforts taken.

All the same my personal opinion is that ; but for the Federation even the little advantage that seem to have been achieved would not have been achieved.

By an outsider

What fitment you are talking

What fitment you are talking about. Fitment has already been decided in MHRD notification. All the assistant professors will be fixed in PB3 on 1.1.2006 corresponding to their prerevised basic as follows:

Pre-revised basic Revised
12000 22320 30320 30000 38000
12420 23110 31110 30000 38000
12840 23890 31890 30000 38000
13260 24670 32670 30000 38000
13680 25450 33450 30000 38000
14100 26230 34230 30000 38000
14520 27010 35010 30000 38000
14940 27790 35790 30000 38000
15360 28570 36570 30000 38000
15780 29360 37360 30000 38000
16200 30140 38140 30140 38140
16620 30920 38920 30920 38920
17040 31700 39700 31700 39700
17460 32480 40480 32480 40480
17880 33260 41260 33260 41260
18300 34040 42040 34040 42040

After 3 years in service, as on 1.1.2009 none of them crosses 46400, all the assistant professors will be fixed in (37400+9000=) 46400.

For associate and professors 6th CPC fitment tables are already available.

Fitment Table

Can someone shed some light on the revised fitment table for asst prof? I would think that 5 increments/3 years rule should be followed while fixing pay for an incumbent asst prof? Any ideas?

On Contract AP

Director, IIT

Please explain:

1. How would you give initial research grant to an OCAP? I dont think GOI permits any grant to any employee on contract.

2. If s/he will not be having any grant to do the research, how would you evaluate him/her after 3 years of probation?

3. Even if GOI permits him/her to submit R&D projects, dont you think that one year is too little time to get the funds. Dont forget that first evaluation is due only after 1 year for uplifting an OPAC from AGP 6000 to 7000. All the GOI funding agencies review the research projects only twice or thrice a year.

4. How would you ensure that an OPAC would not be given a class of 250-300 students just after joining? Due to increased intake for OBC and mentoring of new IITs, many B.Tech. courses have such a mammoth strength. Nobody in any department likes to teach these courses, so these are imposed on new faculty. Further, students are so aggressive towards the IIT system as they are not given proper hostel facility. Rooms meant for single occupancy, now converted into cells to house 3 students. How a young guy having no teaching experience would handle a class of 250 students when half of them are sleeping.

5. What would be the criteria for converting an OPAC into regular AP. If it is not research, then would you take feedback from totally confused 18-20 years kids to make him/her permanent?

6. Or would you leave an OPAC on the mercy of HOD and professorial committee for favourable feedback, so that they may use him/her to the fullest to settle scores against their rivals in the department.

Entry Level appointments

This is in reply to the two comments below. The flexibility currently operating in the entry level appointments will continue. Ultimately the selection committee (for an interview) will decide the nature of appointment: on-contract or not. But more measures would be taken (specifics to be decided by each IIT) to make the offer attractive, even if on-contract.

In general, if the academic record is good, and the candidate has 3 yrs out of PhD experience, the appointment will be a full appointment (not on-contract). This could be followed even for exceptional candidates, as decided by the selection committee, having less than 3 yrs experience,

Please write to the head of departments where you are interested in applying to find out the general practice and specifics.

Implementation of new notification

Could anyone clarify what happens to someone (with less than 3yr post phd experience) who had been offered a post of "assistant professor" before the September 16 notification. Is he going to be taken on contract?

I can't belive you gave up so easily.

Could someone please clarify what came out from the last meeting with the HRD minister. To me it seems like the clever lawyer took everyone for a ride and filled all with a false sense of all-is-well-and-will-be-well lie. Never mind.

Could someone tell me whether an IIT graduate having a 2-year pre-Ph.D. experience, 2-3 years of post-doctoral experience from some good ranking US university with 5 years of good (9+ evaluations) 'during-Ph.D.' teaching experience qualifies for appointment as an Assistant Professor. In the case he does, are there good enough reasons other than "I love IIT and 4 years where not enough, so want to spend my whole life there."

Is this called best deal

see, what MHRD has done to IITs:

Pre-revised basic of 12000 (both IIT and UGC guys selected through open interviews):
IITians will start with pb3, will be moved to pb4 after 3 years and will be designated as assistant professors... UGC guys will start with pb4 and designated as associate professor.

Pre-revised basic of 16,400 (IITians r placed in a basic of 52,300 with designation of associate professor, UGC guys r placed in 53,000 with designation of professor):
IIT asstt.prof. will require 7 years to reach this scale, if not gets through the interview for associate professor post after 3 years in service.. UGC guys will reach in 4 years, if not get through the interview for Professor post after 3 years in service.

AIIITF is responsible for this mess by accepting "no change in designations" as proposed by Prof. Mehta.

A Major point sidelined

Consider this comparison of Qualification versus Pay in the UGC and IIT system.

One who joins a UGC college after MSc takes 14 years to reach Associate Professor
in PB-4 (through regular promotion schemes: 5 yrs at 6k AGP+ 6 yrs at 7k AGP+
3 yrs at 8k AGP; no evaluations of any sort!).

If he opts to a PhD instead, and proceed to a postdoctoral position for 3 years
(which is, after all, a requirement to join the IIT/IISc/IISER/NISER systems) it takes 13 years
(5 years for PhD + 3 years Postdoc + 5 years as Asst. Prof.) after his Masters to reach the PB-4.
Note the numbers I put in are very reasonable, in fact, are too optimistic - that everything works out well
and in time for him. This is after all the hard-earned higher qualifications, sacrificing the PF/Pension funds he
would have saved during 8 (5+3) years had he joined a college, and the secured and settled life in
once own town, with a 9-5 job of the college.

This is gross injustice to any qualified person for this job.

And how can now I sincerely advise or inspire my MSc students to pursue a PhD?

In fact, look at the original Chada Committee report, which has rightly recognized
the situation and restricted teachers with MSc/BTech candidates at the
Assistant Professor (Selection Grade)/Associate Prof. (here, the designation should not
mislead us, it is in PB3 with 8k AGP). To move over to the Associate Prof. (senior Scale)
which is in PB4 they had to have a PhD with a five peer-reviewed publications
(conference abstracts won't do!), AND after competent committee's evaluation only!

Now, in this scenario is a PhD worth it?
Does this promote research career in the country?
Do we expect to attract students to join our PhD programs?
Reverse brain drain? - forget it!!

Now, we are at a very critical juncture! It is not our few hundred odd perks in
the question, but the future of Indian Science 10-15 -years down the line, if not
earlier than that.

So let's join hands in this movement for the bigger cause of Indian Science.

PB4 with AGP 9000 for UGC Readers joined after 1.1.2006

Regular assistant professor of IIX is all set to get PB4 with AGP 9000 at joining as directly recruited Readers of UGC have got it according to new notification:

http://www.ugc.ac.in/notices/UGCregulations2009.pdf

Revised Salary Calculator for existing faculty members of IIT

I have just posted software to calculate the revised salary of existing faculty members in IIX on my homepage:

http://web.iitd.ac.in/~kaushal

Suggestions are welcome.

Kaushal

Loss of Earning Concept is wrong

1. If I pay you your 'Loss of Earning' in a single shot will you sell me your degree.

2. Why don't you calculate 'Loss of Earning' by saying that "if I started Microsoft I would have earned $$$$$$".

Dude It was Your Choice of Pursuing Ph.D and I bet you enjoyed it.

So Please do not put a price on golden period of your life.

Loss of Earning is a wish for "JAM"

I do appreciate your argument my boy...but
I can not sell my Degree to you ( though I would like to make money out of it ! ) becos I need it for my job. The point is; having earned the Degree I am looking for some advantage for having worked for it. In that way some people with BE / ME Degree are less placed against BScs/ GNIITs who entered in some SW companies in early 1990s… It was all by a chance..

People thought that earning better Degree/education from really good University (not from the Doomed Univ type - we hear jokingly off these days) can look for better prospects. I hope you know some Good Univ of Standing to understand this …When such things are denied by the powers that be; it is just a way of comparison...after all at the end of the day - it is all just not bread and butter only BUT ...some Jam too:)

Surely it is one’s choice to do PhD. But whether one enjoyed it or not is a question of how things have shaped in his life.

I recall one of the Top Technical Administrator ( who himself was a PhD) of a well known PSU with which I was working telling my boss ( I was very young at that time) who was a well known researcher with many Citations in Current Titles – in an open meeting - that my boss chose to do his PhD becos he could not get a good job after his Degree. My boss retorted saying , “ Dr…….it may be the reason why you did your PhD; but not me” It is obvious that there was pin drop silence becos only people with real caliber can do that in those days when “descent” was a crime !. It is history that he left the PSU very soon after that and went back to his earlier place. He is still invited as Visiting Faculty by US Universities. Of course India has not lost any thing by just a man like him leaving…after all India did not come to an end in any/ many fields by the loss of many eminent people like even Homi Baba in a tragic plane crash. That is not the question in its perspective.

Looking back at that scene TODAY I feel that my boss would not have said that had he met with a situation wherein he would have had to spend lacks of rupees for
a by-pass surgery of his parent during his PhD days, while his classmate ,who just joined a Central Govt or PSU around the same time, under similar circumstances would have put them in a top class hospital under Govt expenditure. I am sure he would have cursed his PhD since he was not born rich like Baba . but was just from a Middle Class.

Some how in this country we are unable to reconcile with highly qualified lot and find all reasons to snub them. But remember; ALL would like to “Get” and like to be called “Dr” though they have never worked for it in any academic sense. It is a pleasant situation now that we have enough Universities that “Q” up to offer a Doctorate – is it not? :)

I decided to reply you since you have repeated your point today also.

Consultancy

Though a lot is talked about “ Consultancy” work available to IIT Faculty; in reality it can be done only by some who do applied research for a particular product or work done for problem solving towards profit for a company- mostly a Private company

I know that a lot of “Sponsored Projects” from Govt departments and PSUs are undertaken by IIT Faculty. What the Faculty gets out of these “Projects” are some Lab/Computer facilities with limited grants for travel and some RA/TAs which might
help some MTechs and PhD funding. The faculties do not get any financial benefit as in the case of “consultancy” work.

I am sure all those who are connected with this would agree with me that these Projects also do require that “extra” brain to handle them. They also go a long way in the analysis of problems and more so towards some futuristic / advances concepts/ thinking. Then why not pay the Principal Investigator (s) involved in the project a fixed % of the project cost?

I am sure the approval for this scheme and way of working is well within the realm
of IIT authorities. I am sure this thinking should have surely come to the faculties earlier. I do not know if any IIT follows this….if so why not all IITs?

If not, I do not know who has stalled this process and for what reasons? Why the Faculty Forum now negotiating pay scales with Govt has not done it /taken it up with their own Bosses/Authorities? Is there any issue on this from MHRD?

This scheme of incentive would encourage more people taking up extra work. Or else
I feel a day will come when Faculty in IITs also will just come and “teach and go”.

Admin Pl clarify

Obviously the minister has

Obviously the minister has no idea of the consultancy earnings. Why can't we give exact details of average number of faculty per year who take consultancy, which is unlikely to be more than 20 % at most.

The Government of India

The Government of India should know that the Scientist in DAE/ DRDO are "paid" SALARY to do the work for which they are "employed". However these are paid so that the person is not "dissatisfied". It is aimed at the persons turning out better work which would result in better out put from the organisations. Such 'incentives " are also in vogue in PSUs in different forms. It is a also true and a fact that these people deserve the same in view of the environment created by MNCs.

Never the less.... MHRD should also realise that such "quality" work has to come from "Faculty" also, who are "employed" so that they do not turn out mediocre students by handling classes "dissatisfied". In the over 40 years of IITs it is the First time that such upsurge has come out from a very highly qualified/ educated / elite society of the country.

MHRD should realise that we are reaping the benefit of IITs after 15-20 years and not
spoil it over the next 15 years.

When Central and State Govt employees are given “Bonus” for their routine work as an “incentive” why so much fuss on the Scholastic Pay

IIT pay

In all the demands that the Faculty Associations have made for betterment of their earning, did they ask any improvement for the pensioners? If not, these associations behaved in an extremely selfish manner. As such, unlike the retired (pre 2000) faculty of Delhi and Kharagpur, those of IITB do not enjoy any medical benefit. To top that now, although the existing professors will be fixed at Rs.48,000 (basic), professors who retired before 1.1.06 will be fixed at Rs.37,000 for calculation of their pension. The concern of the Faculty Associations for their erstwhile colleagues is amazing.

Assistant professor take home salary

Can any one tell me what is exact take home salary of assistant professor who joins in IIT with three increments. How do I compute the take home salary? I'm confused after seeing lot of blogs without exact figures and details. This will help the people who are planning to join IITs. Thanks!!

Did you try consulting the

Did you try consulting the calculator given in IITM site above. You have to choose scale S23A with appropriate increments. This will give you a lower bound on the take home. For the exact figures you have to wait till MHRD comes out with new notification.

One Basis for Scholastic Pay

Before implementation of 6th pay commission:

Basic pay of a scientist SO/F (whose qualification is M.Tech) in a DAE organization in December 2005: Rs 16,300

Gross pay (without HRA) of August, 2008: Rs 36,992

Let us compare this case with that of an associate professor of IIT as this basic pay is almost similar to that of the scientist.

Basic pay of an associate professor (whose qualification is Ph.D) who joined in December 2005: Rs 16,400

Associate Prof. approximate gross pay in August, 2008: Rs 40,239

After implementation of 6th pay commission:

Gross pay (without HRA) of the same scientist SO/F as on July 2009: Rs 81,023

Gross pay (Basic+gradepay+3% increment for 3 years+ 22% DA + TA) of the same associate professor as per the present Govt. Notification in July 2009 : Rs 73,625

Associate professor who was earning Rs 3247 more than the scientist would be earning Rs 7398 less than the scientist. A variation of Rs 10,500. This variation has occurred as the scientist is drawing a 20% incentive pay over and above his basic plus grade pay. From next month onwards this incentive could (hear say) automatically get increased to 30%.

This disparity exists at the level of professors even more severely than at the level of assistant professors.

The Government of India

The Government of India should know that the Scientist in DAE/ DRDO are "paid" SALARY to do the work for which they are "employed". However these are paid so that the person is not "dissatisfied". It is aimed at the persons turning out better work which would result in better out put from the organisations. Such 'incentives " are also in vogue in PSUs in different forms. It is a also true and a fact that these people deserve the same in view of the environment created by MNCs.

Never the less.... MHRD should also realise that such "quality" work has to come from "Faculty" also, who are "employed" so that they do not turn out mediocre students by handling classes "dissatisfied". In the over 40 years of IITs it is the First time that such upsurge has come out from a very highly qualified/ educated / elite society of the country.

MHRD should realise that we are reaping the benefit of IITs after 15-20 years and not
spoil it over the next 15 years.

When Central and State Govt employees are given “Bonus” for their routine work as an “incentive” why so much fuss on the Scholastic Pay

Govt of India, or the MHRD (

Govt of India, or the MHRD ( Minister and the others) should appreciate the fact that the only public sector organisation which is competing with private sector and still performs best in the country is the educations sector. (on can see the state of airline and other sectors which have private competitors). If they do not go around the world and see how the systems are collapsing in Europe and US, most private Institutions are now taking the best brains (remember we are aspiring to be developed in 2020) from Govt.sector, the day is not too far before our system collapses and we would have nothing to be proud of even in education sector. Kapil Sibal could take the credit for both bringing in private universities and also reduce the competitiveness in IITs, etc.. so our egalitarian approach to education would disappear for ever. So poor meritorious students would struggle while rich ones would continue to do well. This not what an emerging economy should do.

academic allowance

For academic allowance recommended by UGC pay review committee, please see prof. Chadha committee report on UGC pay scales

For Scientific officers/ Design Staff

While Goverdhan Mehta committee has recommended mapping of the existing scales of pay onto the revised scales of corresponding categories, the MHRD notification has introduced a rider and hence, if they are not doing teaching work, the revised pay of Scientific Officers/Design staff shall be mapped into the normal replacement pay of 6th CPC.

Why not

it is true that if they not doing the job of teaching, how can you call them teaching staff. Please note the MHRD /UGC scales are for teaching faculty.

The Scientific Staff are the

The Scientific Staff are the Teaching Staff since its inception as per the bylaws of the Institute. Also, the 5th CPC MHRD order very clearly states the parity between th scientific and academic posts without any ambiguity. We are asking only to preserve it!

Let us not go by bye laws.

Let us not go by bye laws. We have to go by nature of the job. If there is ample evidence of doing the teaching, only then the scientific staff are eligible for MHRD pay scales. Otherwise they will come under 6th CPC.

Why only for Scientific/design staff?

There are many professors not teaching. Why the condition is inserted only for the scientific/design staff? How to impose such rule if a part of the faculty is teaching and the others not teaching? If such things are implemented, then juniors in the same cadre will get more salary than seniors and it will be an anomaly

For associate professors,

For associate professors, grade pay recommended by the UGC committee was 11,000. The government approved Rs. 10,000. Similarly, for associate professors, grade pay recommended by the Mehta committee was 10,000. The government approved 9,500. It is well known that government will reduce whatever is recommended. Then, why did Mehta's committee recommend lesser than the UGC committee.

In IITs, it is rare that an assistant professor remains an assistant professor for 15 years. Many become associate professors in 4-5 years, so automatic movement to PB4 is not required. Actually, the automatic movement to PB4 without evaluation is faulty and UGC should scrap it. Once one moves to PB4, he will end up with 67,000 eventually, irrespective of whether he is assistant, associate, professor etc.

Movement to PB4

Once something is "given" it is not possible to take it away. So it stands to reason that movement to PB4 for Asst Profs. should also be automatic.

AGP for UGC assoc profs

UGC notifcation shown in this page says that the AGP for Associate Profs. is 9000. Are you referring to any further notification that has superseded it ? An earlier comment also claims it as 10,000.

An UGC professor was

An UGC professor was equivalent to IIT associate professor with the scale of 16,400-450-... For this person, the UGC committee recommended 11,000 and 10,000 was approved by the government. For associate professors in the same pay scale, the Mehta committee recommended 10,000 and 9,500 was approved by the government.

According to the government,

According to the government, associate professors in IITs were not equivalent to professors in UGC.

Associate professors in IITs were in the scale of S-27 (see 6 CPC), 16400-20900. This has been mapped to AGP of 8900, but has been increased to 9500. [This has been intentionally done because the benefits for AGP less than 9000 is very different from someone who has AGP more than 9000. Because I see the statement that the benefits of AGP of 9500 and 10000 are very different, can you give me a few examples and quote from the relevant document?]

Professors in UGC were in the scale of S-28, which ends at 22400, which has been mapped to AGP of 10000

Professors in IITs were in the scale of S-29, which starts at 18400 and also ends at 22400, which has been mapped to 10000 but has been given 10500.

According to the government, the gradation was thus as

S-27 - AcP of IIT
S-28 - Professor in UGC
S-29 - Professor in IIT

and thus they have tried to maintain the equivalent: 9.5, 10, 10.5 K.

Refer tables 5, 7 and 9 of UGC fitment

It is clear from the tables 5, 7 and 9 of UGC fitment, that the benefit of bunching is given while fixing the basic pay. For every two increments one increment is given in the new scale. Why is this not followed by MHRD? After fixing the minimum basic as recommended by the pay review committee, further fixation of the basic has to be done by taking into account of bunching. Thus for every two increments an additinal increment has to be given in the new scale. Only then the experienced faculty are benefitted. Instead the seniors are fixed according to table S-26 and S-28 of 6th CPC.

What about the academic allowance?

The academic allowance of Rs. 1500/- per month is given for for Assistant Professor, Assistant Professor(Senior Scale), Assistant Professor(Selection Grade)
and Rs. 1200/- per month for Associate Professor, Senior Associate Professor, Professor and Professor as per the recommendation of the UGC committee. MHRD committee has conveniently ignored these facts.

Please refer to Prof.

Please refer to Prof. Chadha committee report

Academic allowance

Please send the document that shows this allowance to let us make corrections.

Why is the bunching is not taken into account?

It is really atrocious that when you have lot of experience and reach the maximum of the scale, you will be reverted back to 6th CPC. This is exactly what has happened for Assoc. Professors and Professors, who after certain basic (eg. 18,200 for Assoc. Prof.) will have to follow S-26 for fitment. Where is the justice? Does it not imply that they only benefit by Rs. 600 in AGP compared to 6th pay scale? How can the pay fixation be distorted? Even UGC recommendation says that the fitment is as per 6th CPC.

It also implies that only fraction of faculty are given MHRD recommended scales and the remaining fraction gets 6th CPC. This injustice should be really be sorted out.

MHRD should note that talented faculty cannot work under this suffocated atmosphere.

The fixation should be respectable, commensurate with the quality of the faculty of IITs, experience should be given due recognition.

FITMENT TABLES FOR UGC AND IIT

A fitment Table for UGC gives the new basic pay of Rs 44700 + AGP 10000 = 54700 for the old basic pay of Rs 19100 (starting scale at 16400) and for IIT teachers for the same old basic pay of Rs 19100 it is now 43390+ 9500 = Rs 52890. It is surprising that 'FITMENT' of same basic salary in the identical scales is different. If UGC fitment is applied to IIT scales the salary would be more.

It is not surprising

The basic rule of any fitment table in 6th CPC is: it is the ending-pay and NOT the starting-pay, that decides the superiority of the scale. This way 16400-22400 is superior to 16400-20000 etc.

It is not surprising

Why some people write without full knowledge of the topic? Where this 'basic rule' is applied if one compares the scales of 14300-18300 and 15100-18300 in which the new pay for the same pay is higher at each stage compared to 16400 -20000 or 16400-20900. (see the tables S24 t0 S-27). The persons in lower scales (starting and ending pay both are lower than 16400 - 20900) are fixed at new higher pay. This rubbish thing cannot be justified by any means.

Not only will the new dismal

Not only will the new dismal compensation scheme be unattractive to prospective faculty members, it will be also difficult to retain existing faculty members who may have more lucrative opportunities elsewhere.

New faculty

One often hears IIT and IISc are not able to attract new faculty. Yet an blog by an IISc professor states that there department gets 30 applications for every one position. How many applications does the chemical engineering department of IIT-B received in the last year? How many had Ph.D or post-doc abroad? How many did you select? Keeping on saying there is a shortage is not the truth.

There are many private universities that offer more salary than IIT but people do not shift. Why? Because of the atmosphere provided by IIT-B. Just because there is a Rs. 500 shift between IIT and UGC, no one will join UGC.

lot of applications != lot of good candidates

They do receive a lot of applications but most candidates are not qualified enough.

Concept of 'Loss of Earning' is Wrong.

1. If I pay you your 'Loss of Earning' in a single shot will you sell me your degree.

2. Why don't you calculate 'Loss of Earning' by saying that "if I started Microsoft I would have earned $$$$$$".

Dude It was Your Choice of Pursuing Ph.D and I bet you enjoyed it.

So Please do not put a price on golden period of your life.